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#1 2007-08-05 20:41:57

bdaily
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Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

We've posted another preview video of the upcoming Director beta, check it out here:

http://slideshowpro.net/mov/screencast/ … demand.mov

Questions? Comments? smile


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#2 2007-08-05 22:00:43

svrichard
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Wow! very nifty and helpful feature guys! Nice indeed. ... I'll miss the old way a bit but this kind of change is good. wink  (...way better actually)

So this brings up a question  regarding that automatic SSP resize feature; Does that mean could one set-up SSP and it's images in percentages too?
Meaning, it could automatically adjust and optimize the slide show and its images to any one's browser size? If not, it sure feel pretty close in its ability to do just that.  smile  WDYT?

ps.. Impressive Director interface too!   


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#3 2007-08-05 22:08:04

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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

I think this feature is GREAT for 95% of the applications, but did you include and image size override in the component inspector?

On one of the sites that I've created, I am using a full width (roughly 900px) slideshow to display the album selection screen, but the images are sized to fit within a designated space (roughly 450px). Without the specified size, the image would of course span across the entire screen. I was using the dynamic gallery resize for album selection, but there were some weird things going on, so i decided to go this route.

http://www.phototia.com/weddings/

Please let me know if there can be a solution for this.


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#4 2007-08-06 00:23:58

damienbuckley
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Genius.  Love it - most of our clients would struggle to get everything right with generating content etc as they aren't tech users but this new system makes it more or less fool-proof.  Great evolution guys.

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#5 2007-08-06 02:27:13

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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Good point 'damienbuckley' !

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#6 2007-08-06 08:01:17

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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

the best way to improve it is to remove it!

this looks amazing!

this new system makes it more or less fool-proof.  Great evolution guys.

this new feature enables many new possibilities

I am very excited! smile


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#7 2007-08-06 08:42:46

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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Due to the nature of the site that I am putting together using this tool this is going to be a very useful time saver for me.

Thank you for spending the time to re-think the method of image publishing.

I hope to be able to download and deploy this newer version in the very near future and provide useful feedback if necessary.

As for the delays that have come up in your posting of further news I completely understand, being a programmer myself. If you can't get it just right then why would you release it mentality plagues the programmer mindset.

~royord

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#8 2007-08-06 10:19:15

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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Since SlideShowPro will handle video (with 1.6), will Director handle a video upload?
Will Director re-encode the video into the proper format?

Thanks!
-Baldwin

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#9 2007-08-06 10:28:04

macwise
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

First of all, this looks great.  I love the new "look of director, and even SSP.  Needless to say, all of the new features are enticing and extremely interesting.  The product already existing is of course stellar on it's own merits as well.  However, as a user of SSP and SSP Director who has done some hardcore actionscripting for my sites, I have some real concerns when you say "long gone the features of image size control".  Maybe I've missed something, so I'll lay out what I think I need and why.  Then you might have an answer that will knock my socks off:

-Manual image sizing: 
   First of all, take a look at a few of the sites I've developed:
    - http://iamron.com/  (click the 'see' tab) 
    - http://iamron.com/index3.html  (once again, click the 'see' tab)
    - http://iamcasey.com/  ('gallery' tab)

As you'll see, I'm not using the standard SSP interface.  I've personally developed my own thumbnail navigations with repeater controls that override the standard navigation completely - and I plan on creating more.  One of the key benefits I tout to my clients is that they CAN upload their own web optimized images from photoshop (I actually encourage them to do this), but that if they're on location and in a hurry, they can quickly generate images through SSP Director's interface.  They're all really impressed.  I don't see how this will be possible anymore if they cannot choose the size of thumbnails, especially if they're to be square.  Any light you can shed on this?

-How will director now handle the option of crop to fit or crop proportionately?
-How are verticals or squares handled in a wide SSP format?
-Once again, what if a user wants a custom dimensioned image in the album preview?

If these features are still available, but tucked away somewhere else, great!  If, however, they're GONE-gone, then I'm very worried.  This seems to be a key feature that pros would need and want, and I would hate to see this become a limited functioning software in the name of streamlining. 

Just my 2¢.  I'm really interested in hearing more about these aspects, as well as the other cool features on Director.  Thanks for all your hard work!

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#10 2007-08-06 10:44:39

bdaily
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Good questions...

macwise wrote:

I don't see how this will be possible anymore if they cannot choose the size of thumbnails, especially if they're to be square.  Any light you can shed on this?

Thumbnail size is set via the component inspector now and those values are passed on to Director, which returns the optimized thumbs at the setting you provide. So, even if you hide the built in navigation, SlideShowPro will still recieve the thumbs at the size you enter in the component inspector.

How will director now handle the option of crop to fit or crop proportionately?

The "Image Scaling" setting in the component inspector has been expanded to include "Proportional" and "Crop to fit", and again SSP passes these values to Director and Director returns the images in the format specified. The choice is also independently available when setting your thumbnail sizes.

How are verticals or squares handled in a wide SSP format?

I'm not sure I follow here, but the same Image Align properties exist now that did before for images that are smaller than the width/height of the SlideShow.

Once again, what if a user wants a custom dimensioned image in the album preview?

Like the thumbnails, there are now size settings in the component inspector for Album preview. You can choose between proportional and crop to fit here as well.

It is also important to point out that if you can you use the originally uploaded images directly with no optimization. This happens one of two ways: First, if the image size requested is the same as the original, Director simply returns the original image. Also, if you set the Image Scaling parameter to "None", Director returns the original image with no optimization.


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#11 2007-08-06 10:47:17

bdaily
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

turnerflorida@gmail.com wrote:

Since SlideShowPro will handle video (with 1.6), will Director handle a video upload?

Yes, Director will now be able to handle FLV upload.

Will Director re-encode the video into the proper format?

No. You must upload your video in its final state and it must be an FLV or SWF. Processing videos is an intensive process and most shared hosts wouldn't allow it anyway. So, Director's on-demand image publishing is limited to images only, SWFs and FLVs will be fed to SSP in their original state.


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#12 2007-08-06 10:49:11

bdaily
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

tarik916 wrote:

I think this feature is GREAT for 95% of the applications, but did you include and image size override in the component inspector?

On one of the sites that I've created, I am using a full width (roughly 900px) slideshow to display the album selection screen, but the images are sized to fit within a designated space (roughly 450px). Without the specified size, the image would of course span across the entire screen. I was using the dynamic gallery resize for album selection, but there were some weird things going on, so i decided to go this route.

http://www.phototia.com/weddings/

Please let me know if there can be a solution for this.

Good point. We're looking into this...


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#13 2007-08-06 10:53:46

bdaily
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

svrichard wrote:

Does that mean could one set-up SSP and it's images in percentages too?
Meaning, it could automatically adjust and optimize the slide show and its images to any one's browser size? If not, it sure feel pretty close in its ability to do just that.  smile  WDYT?

I'm pretty sure this wouldn't work. I just did a test and from what I can tell, the sizes in SlideShowPro are set when you publish the movie. So, stretching it according to the browser's dimensions would only scale the SWF itself, not the dimensions that SSP requests from Director. Even if this was possible, I wouldn't recommend it as it would create a whole set of images for every visitor to your slideshow, filling up your server and probably bringing it to its knees performance-wise as well.


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#14 2007-08-06 11:01:52

macwise
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Brad,

Thanks for your quick response.  Maybe I'm the only one here that feels this way, but since my clients can choose any size thumbs they like, and my auto-thumbnailers dynamically fit the thumbs into a grid or a scrolling layout, it seems like a huge limitation for them to have to open up the FLA. In fact, since I am usually the one managing the install, it means there's more for me to manage now, when my objective is to really just put the entire site in their hands.  I realize I can probably specify these sizes through an XML file for them to manage, but there are inherently so many more steps involved, and it seems like a downgrade for the user experience and control.  I do think this new on-demand publishing system is cool, and I think it's the right choice for your product.  Still, if it's possible to retain control over thumb/image sizes in director somehow, then my vote is unequivocally for it.

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#15 2007-08-06 11:37:03

svrichard
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Thanks for your answer(s) Brad.  It makes sense, and I now understand why it would not be such a good idea.

Regards,
Serge

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#16 2007-08-07 09:22:44

juanlacueva
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

are images cached? if i had a peak on visits this could make he server generate lots of images at the same time and making it very cpu processor demanding... if hey are chached... can you manage the caches for each size?

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#17 2007-08-07 10:01:34

chris
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

macwise wrote:

Brad,

[...]Maybe I'm the only one here that feels this way, but since my clients can choose any size thumbs they like, and my auto-thumbnailers dynamically fit the thumbs into a grid or a scrolling layout, it seems like a huge limitation for them to have to open up the FLA. [...] Still, if it's possible to retain control over thumb/image sizes in director somehow, then my vote is unequivocally for it.

Macwise, you're not the only one. To ban manual control functions from director to the component inspector is a step backwards for me. Hope, that automatic an manual control stay side by side in the new director.

Chris

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#18 2007-08-07 12:34:46

bdaily
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

juanlacueva wrote:

are images cached? if i had a peak on visits this could make he server generate lots of images at the same time and making it very cpu processor demanding... if hey are chached... can you manage the caches for each size?

Absolutely, the images are cached. The one thing you can always count on is that we use SlideShowPro and Director right here on all the slideshows at SSP.net, so we certainly know the importance of lightening the load whenever possible. The album cache works very much like the xml_cache, when an image is changed any caches for that image are cleared and will be regenerated next time a request is made.

As far as managing the cache, the new Director install will allow you to manually clear any caches that have not been accessed in 7 days (meaning they probably were created during testing but are no longer needed). The link to this action will be found in the preferences pane. If you can set up cron jobs, you can set this action to run everyday to keep your caches lean and mean.


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#19 2007-08-08 10:45:45

sfilippo
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Great work. This really makes it easy for people that are not Photoshop-literate and don't understand a pixel from a pica.

You guys have really put some nifty features in these updated versions. Thank you smile

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#20 2007-08-09 05:17:08

willg
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

You all are amazing. This is going to make my life so much easier. I can't wait for the new versions of Director and SSP to be released! smile

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#21 2007-08-10 06:21:50

bdaily
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

We're now looking for people to participate in the private beta:

http://www.slideshowpro.net/news/archiv … ers-ne.php


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#22 2007-08-20 11:10:57

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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

chris wrote:

Macwise, you're not the only one. To ban manual control functions from director to the component inspector is a step backwards for me. Hope, that automatic an manual control stay side by side in the new director.

I would add my name to this list as well. From what I've read here I think you would be removing a useful tool for many people including myself. Adding features is great, but I don't think you should remove existing functionality in the process.

Cheers,

Andrew

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#23 2007-08-24 14:23:19

catoha
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

arossphoto wrote:

chris wrote:

Macwise, you're not the only one. To ban manual control functions from director to the component inspector is a step backwards for me. Hope, that automatic an manual control stay side by side in the new director.

I would add my name to this list as well. From what I've read here I think you would be removing a useful tool for many people including myself. Adding features is great, but I don't think you should remove existing functionality in the process.

Cheers,

Andrew

I have to say that I'm also very dependent on the possibility to set a smaller image size on some of my albums. Specially older pictures I have are not as large as my new ones, and therefor the would be stretched it the are all forced to maximum size.

So a simple question from me. Will I be able to set a "manual" image size in an album like today, in the new director?

Keep up the good work. SSP and director are definately the best web gallery software out there.

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#24 2007-08-28 20:40:21

ctyankee
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

another vote for having the ability to control the size of the photos in director.  I can get around it, but I like to stay out of Flash as much as possible.

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#25 2007-08-29 03:20:18

bdaily
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

Just to break the suspense, this will not be coming back to Director. If you must have this control inside Director, you should stick with 1.0.9.9. I'd encourage you to give 1.1 and SlideShowPro 1.6 a try, you might find that you like it smile


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#26 2007-08-29 05:44:34

catoha
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

My point is, that within a gallery, I have album with images that can't be the SAME size, and as far as I can see that's no longer possible in the new director or in the new slideshowpro, since slideshowpro only can set ONE image size for each swf file.

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#27 2007-08-29 05:53:02

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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

bdaily wrote:

Just to break the suspense, this will not be coming back to Director. If you must have this control inside Director, you should stick with 1.0.9.9. I'd encourage you to give 1.1 and SlideShowPro 1.6 a try, you might find that you like it smile

That really sucks. I thought Director and SSP were two separate applications for a reason!?! Different users have different requirements, and I for one use SSP on one area of my site, but I also pull images and info from the Director database for use in different areas of my site without using SSP. So if I can't set the image dimensions in Director I won't be able to use the latest version.

I'm really disappointed with this decision. :-(

Andrew

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#28 2007-09-08 09:13:23

macwise
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Re: Director Preview Video 3: On-demand image publishing

I agree.  Removing this functionality has not encouraged me to upgrade, but rather create my own solution from the ground up to compete with SSP/SSPD.  I HATE thinking in this direction, as A)it requires development that I'm not too interested, mainly because B)The product is already in place, and I love it - it's SSP and SSPD, albeit the older, deprecated versions.  I agree with arossphoto.  When you are developing software, adding features is great, but taking away features that are critical for your base just seems like poor forethought.  (My company develops enterprise web-based software, previously for other companies, now solely for ourselves.)

I'm NOT trying to be critical for the sake of being critical.  You guys have done a fantastic job, and man, to create a product AND brand as you two have is a great feat, and one that is undeniably a great asset to the photo community.  You guys should be getting awards for all the advancements you've made for photographers.  That's partly why it's such a blow to have an essential feature for many photographers simply stripped out, and abandoned, as though this big of a decision doesn't have the impact it really does.  It's (kind of) akin to GM saying that they now have an on-demand radio system, where the buttons have been completely removed from the radio.  Now, instead of YOU choosing what you're listening to, the radio automatically senses your speed and location, and picks tunes that best match those criteria.  It won't be perfect.  It CAN'T be perfect.

Saying that we should stick with 1.0.9.9 is a statement that hurts, too, as just yesterday I had a client that was asking me how they could transfer images from one gallery to the other.  I informed them that it was available in the new version of the flash module they were using, but that we couldn't upgrade to it because they couldn't size thumbs and pics, a critical feature for their site.  Needless to say, they were bummed, as was I. 

So, I'll ask a different question.  Is there a way to include this functionality in SSPD current and future versions for a legacy version of SSP?  This way it will sense whether or not the SSP instance is the legacy version, and if so, it will provide the ability to size the images/thumbs?  Just a hope and a dream...

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